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let's give you an update on the pulse question. it had to do with don jr.'s tweet. that image he used in a skittles bowl to make a policy argument about admitting refugees into the u.s. do you think don jr. has reason to apologize? take a look, 72% say yes, 28% say no. the pulse will remain open for a little while longer. pulse.msnbc.com. i'm going to hand things over to my colleague, kate snow. >> i'm kate snow. nice to see you. we begin this hour with the latest on the investigation into this weekend's explosions in new york and new jersey.
new report revealing the fbi interviewed the father's suspect back in 2014. nbc news also learned the suspect himself left a note behind. at this hour rahami is still being treated at university hospital in newark, new jersey, after being injured in that gun battle yesterday with police. he's been charged with five counts of attempted murder now on a police officer and he's being held on a $5.2 million bond. we have got every angle of this developing news covered today from the political reaction to the latest from the suspect's home in elizabeth, new jersey. let's start with our justice correspondent, pete williams, covering it from washington. we have new details about the father of the suspect and his interactions with the fbi. >> right, kate. the father said earlier today that he had talked to the fbi two years ago. at the time, it didn't make any sense, but now we know the details. this goes back to august of two years ago when the family was living in perth amboy, new
jersey, and there was a complaint about domestic violen violence. the police were called. it turns out rahami was charged with stabbing his brother in the leg. he was jailed and those charges were ultimately dropped. the grand jury decided there wasn't enough to sustain a charge. but while all the commotion was going on, according to law enforcement officials, a neighbor claimed to police to have heard the father say to rahami, you're a terrorist, i want you out of my house. so, the police told the fbi about that. the fbi came to the house, interviewed the father, who told them, according to officials, i was just angry. i said it in the heat of the moment. i didn't mean it. i don't think my son is a terrorist. as long as you're here, i might as well tell you, i think he's hanging out with the wrong people. he's with some gang members and i don't like it. the fbi did an investigation -- not an investigation, but did an inquiry, interviewed family members, looked at whether there was any terrorism with rahami
and concluded there was not and talked with the father who said, i'm sorry i said it. i said it in the heat of the moment. have i no reason to think my son is a terrorist and the case was closed. >> pete, what about this note that was left behind. what do we know about that? >> well, we had reported earlier, because we had been told that it was found with the bomb on 27th street. now we know it was in a notebook he had on him when he was arrested yesterday after the shootout in linden. what we're told by officials is that it's a rambling hodgepodge, is the way one put it, of writings of previous terror incidents, including the 2009 shooting -- the mass shooting in ft. hood, texas, the boston marathon bombing of 2013, and also praise for anwar al awlaki, who spent time in the u.s. and who helped plan ft. hood and boston marathon bombings, kate. i should say one thing.
so, he still -- rahami is still recovering in the hospital from the gunshot wounds. he's now being held on state charges. we had thought it would be some time before federal charges would be filed. now it seems like the federal government is going to move rather quickly to file the charges. >> meaning, perhaps, today, business day today or not? >> perhaps -- well, i would say safely by the end of the week. maybe within the next few days. >> pete williams on top of everything in washington for us. pete, thanks so much. let's turn for more to ayman outside of rahami's home in elizabeth, new jersey. i understand you just spoke to a congressman there that represents that area about communication his office had with the actual suspect. >> reporter: that's right. we're trying to piece together this timeline and a lot is going to focus on ahmad rahami and where he was. we know he traveled overseas. we got a little information today from the congressman from his district, the congressman from the eighth district. he told us two years ago, in
september of -- or march of 2014, rather, ahmad rahami actually approached the congressman here in his district office, but more importantly, e-mailed him when he was in pakistan asking him to help get a visa for his wife. his wife at the time was in pakistan. she had gone to the u.s. embassy there. she wanted to actually come to the united states applying for a u.s. visa. the congressman described the characteristic of ahmad rahami when he came to that field office. take a listen. ahmad, the suspect, the attacker, did he ever come to your office here in -- >> once. >> reporter: he came to the office here in elizabeth? >> usually the father would come. >> reporter: father mohammed would come? >> yes. the father signed the release so we could do the inquiry. >> reporter: the father is the one you described as abrupt or his son? >> his son. >> reporter: his son was abrupt. >> my staff described it -- >> reporter: in that one visit he came to the office -- >> he was abrupt. >> reporter: the congressman said his staffers felt ahmad rahami was abrupt in his
mannerisms. that visa we were told, according to the congressman, was denied because, a, she applied. the wife we know now she applied on an expired pakistani passport, one reason it was denied, and she also applied while pregnant, according to the congressman. that was another reason the visa was never issued. the congressman is not aware of whether she ever traveled to the united states after she closed the file on that particular issue, kate. >> let me make sure i'm understanding this because there's so many bouncing balls today. this is a wife that was in -- that was overseas and trying to come to the united states. you said this was in march of 2014, is that right? >> reporter: that is correct. in march of 2014, he had sent an e-mail to this congressman asking him to help issue -- or help get a visa for his wife issued. that was the visa that was denied by the u.s. embassy in islamabad at the time. >> are they still married? where is she now, do we have any
idea? >> reporter: that's a great question. we're trying to pin that down. we're not sure if she's in the united states or whether or not she has gone overseas again. what we do know her name in various searches we have done has popped up in databases linked to the address associated with the rahami family. there's a very strong possibility she certainly spent time in the united states, but whether or not she's still here, that we don't currently know. >> the story developing by the minute. we'll let you get back to it. donald trump wrapped up a rally in high point, north carolina, earlier today where he again spoke about all of this. speaking about national security after the bombings, let's get to katy tur in keenansville, north carolina, where trump will be later tonight. what message are we hearing from donald trump today? >> reporter: it's the same message as yesterday, it's very much america versus the others. trump talking about his immigration plan, trying to paint his as the strongest when
it comes to terror because he'll be the strongest not allowing immigrants into this is country. especially immigrants from countries where he says there's a terror problem. he's talking about his wall, talking about extreme vetting and now racial profiling. although he's at a loss of how that would get done, specifically what sort of racial profiling. is it all muslims? in the past he's talked about surveillance of mosques, even flirted with the idea of having some sort of muslim database. the campaign is trying to say this is all a problem because of clinton mubarak's policies, president obama's policies. their desire to let more refugees into the country. he says there's not an adequate vetting system in place. in reality it takes two years and it is a pretty thorough vetting system. in this case it was an afghani-born american who has been in this country since he was 7 years old. it's not clear how donald trump says he'll be able to stop
terrorist, homegrown terrorists, radicalized terrorists already in this country. how he would do that racial profiling. he's continuing on with that idea that he'll be the stronger one when it comes to borders and that's how we'll stop the rise of isis and stop the threat of isis here on american soil. >> katy tur, thanks so much. let's see if we can get more clarity on those positions. i want to bring in steve cortez, official trump campaign surrogate and member of trump's national hispanic advisory counsel. thank you. >> thank you. >> i want to play a clip what katy tur has been saying over the last 24 hours. i want to play a clip last night that get on a lot of attention. he's talking about ahmad rahami here. >> we will give him amazing hospitalization. he will be represented by an outstanding lawyer. his case will go through the various court systems for years. and in the end, people will
forget and his punishment will not be what it once would have been. what a sad situation. we must have speedy but fair trials, and we must deliver a just and very harsh punishment to these people. >> steve, can you help us understand, is donald trump saying that he shouldn't have good medical care and he should not have a lawyer? >> no, kate, i don't think he's saying that. you also know and a lot of us know, trump, particularly when he gets in front of these large crowds, he has a bent for high personably. this guy is an american citizen, even thoughs hi acts are horrible, he'll get a lawyer, medical care, because that's the kind of society we are. i think there's a problem on the left, the obama administration with the ft. hood assailant. it was characterized as workplace violence.
i don't know if we're willing to call a spade a spade -- >> no one is calling this workplace violence. everyone is calling this an act of terror. >> okay. well, not everybody, by the way. it took de blasio quite a while to call it an account of terror. he called it an intentional act of malice, something like that. >> he said it was too early to know the facts at that point. we don't have to get into discussion about semantics. go ahead. >> i think the point here is that you can never defeat an enemy that you won't name up. certainly can't defeat an enemy when you don't have any real plan. so far, the plan of this administration has been regime change in the middle east, which has resulted in chaos, nation building which resulted in american loss of life and no benefit to the united states. what we have for the first time in a century is a caliphate in the middle east that hates us and successfully imported its hatred to the shores of the united states and, for that matter, all over europe. we need a decidedly different
course. we need a different course in the middle east and at home we need to be far tougher and smarter about who we decide. it's up to us to decide who we let in this country. we have to be smarter and tougher about those vetting processes. >> let me ask you about that because katy tur made the point this man was 7 years old when he came to this country. he was a child when he entered the country on a visa. would the kind of vetting donald trump is talking about stop a 7-year-old from coming into the country? how do you realistically screen for someone years later who might become radicalized? >> that's right an excellent point inspect this particular case i would guess we wouldn't have stopped this unless his father, his parents were radicalized. it would have stopped other significant tragedies and ones that were far worse than this. for instance, san bernardino, the wife in san bernardino when she came here there was almost no scrutiny. she came from pakistan. even a cursory look at her would have shown she was a highly radicalized jihadi and came here
with the express purpose of meeting her father on a rampage at a employee christmas party. the boston bombings, the brothers were highly radicalized. here's a larger point, too. look, as americans, we have a tremendous heart for refugees. and we should. there's nothing compassionate about looking the other way and allows dangerous people in who are going to hurt our citizens. we've done too much of that. >> what about the tweet from donald trump jr. last night up. know it's come under heavy criticism. he sent out this tweet with the image of a bowl of skittles that read in part, if i had a bowl of skittles and told you three would kill you, would you take a handful? that's our syrian refugee problem. did you find that offensive? >> not offensive but a little silly. i have a lot of respect for donald trump jr. and all the trump children but i would suggest to him, stop tweeting out images. they seem to get him in trouble. >> he was in trouble last week with an -- >> yes. here's what i would say, the reason i don't like it, i don't
want to be harsh on my criticism of him, but the reason i don't like it is i think it makes it sound like it's a game a little bit. i know he doesn't believe that but it can lead to that impression. this isn't a game. people aren't skittles. look, there are a lot of refugees who who deserve -- we're a nation of compassion. we're a nation of immigrants. we bring in a million immigrants a year. far more than anywhere else in the world. we love immigration. but it has to be legal and secure and right now, given the state of the world in a lot of places, somalia, for instance, where the minnesota stabber came from, given how rife somali is with violence, it's not heartless, it's reasonable to say we need to suspend immigration from that country. once we restart it, we need strict procedures in place to vet those people and not act like a young man from somali is the same as a grandmother from canada. >> you're talking about the suspect from minnesota.
he came as a child to this country as well. how do we ever get to zero risk? >> we never will. for that matter, we really don't want to, even though we would love to have zero violence, of course. to get to zero risk, we would have to have a totalitarian society. america as an open society is going to be vulnerable, i admit that. i think trump's policies would have prevented the boston bombers, san bernardino. can we stop all violence? when people have true hatred in their hearts, can they figure out ways to strike us? sure, they can. but we can be as tough and smart as possible and prevent some of these if not all of them. >> i want to ask you one last thing because we have the author -- writer of a washington post report coming up this hour that you're familiar with, out today that donald trump used $258,000 from his charity from the trump foundation to settle legal problems related to his for-profit business. this reporting coming from "the washington post." nbc news has verified some of these donations as well.
what's your response to that report? >> well, you know, and i'm glad you asked me, because a couple things. first, the campaign is not officially responded yet so i don't want to speak for the campaign. but i would say the headline was highly misleading. it made it sound as though he put money in individuals' pockets as a settlement out of his charity. in fact, the settlement of the lawsuits was that donations would be made to charity. so, those charitable dough nass were made out of the foundation. what i understand, the hangup here is the money in the foundation at that point wasn't his money, it was donor money. my second point would be, i don't know that the donors have much of a problem with that. that author has been egregiously to trump. he said to me, that's not true, prove it. i proved it on twitter. i gave him three documents of large donations, two for $2 million each, one for $100,000,
going back to the 1980s. i got nothing from him. i think he's on a witch hunt for donald trump. >> i'll relay that to him when he comes on. the headline is trump used $258,000 from his charity to settle legal problems. that's not untrue. he used charity money rather than using his own personal cash to settle these settlements. >> i get your point. why i think that's misleading -- when i first saw the headline i thought, oh, my gosh, he paid lawyer bills or he paid the actual plaintiff via the charitable fund? no. it was charity to charity. by the way, one of these cases -- >> but uts not his money. it's not his money is the point, right? >> understood. ly wait for clarification on that from the campaign. i would point out the biggest one of these settlements, i'm proud of him because he stood his ground, because he wanted to put a massive american flag up in palm beach and he was fined $100,000 by the city. >> because of the size. >> i'm proud of the stance he
took is there as an american citizen a long time ago. >> steve cortes, thanks. up next, under the law, how will ahmad rahami be treated? how do prosecutors proceed. in just six days from now, don't forget, clinton and trump facing off in the first debate. we'll have their newly released topics to be covered and strategies going into the home stretch to election day. >> this is going to be close. we need everyone off the sidelines. not voting is not an option. that just plays into trump's hands. it really does. when my doctor told me i have age-related macular degeneration, amd we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression. and everywhere i look... i'm reminded to stick to my plan. including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula that the national eye institute recommends help reduce the risk of progression ter 15 years of of clinical studies.ceamd...
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graham weighed in on what should happen this to man, ahmad khan rahami, tweeting the suspect, based upon what we know, clearly is a candidate for enemy combatant status. for more, let me bring in msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber. first of all, what is enemy combatant status, what is he asking to happen here? >> he's saying, if there is any chance this individual is tied to a foreign army we're at war with, we should treat him first enemy combatant, denying him some rights, and then put him in a civil court system. our own pete williams confirmed and reported earlier today, authorities already are interrogating this man without reading him his rights or doing those kind of things under public safety exception, which is exactly as it sounds, the supreme court saying sometimes the gloves come off and you ask more questions when you're worried there might be another public safety threat. the other thing we can say about the other thing you hear, that trump has alluded to, let's not use our american courts at all.
when you do these combatant tribunals, which is legal, it's a way to do it, we can put up the numbers. there have been eight or nine of these. four had their convictions overturned. if that's supposed to be tough, it wasn't working. where over 500 suspected terrorists have been effectively prosecuted in our american courts. that's why this administration and many military experts say, this is the right way to do it. if you have a citizen that commits an act of terror, you go after them with the american system. >> appreciate it as always. we're learning more about ahmad rahami's travel and his family. "new york times" breaking the store his father used the word terrorist to describe his son. nice to have you with us i know it's been a crazy, busy day for you as well as us. talk about what the senior, mohammed rahami, the father of the suspect, told your paper. he said he talked to the fbi
because his son was, using his words, was doing badly? >> it appears the father reached out to l enforcement. we don't know law enforcement's reaction to that so we don't know to what extent the father sbing candid with us. but if what he is saying is true, then we have a situation not unlike omar mateen where there was at least some forewarning of this young man showing signs of radicalization. >> and our pete williams, you may not have heard, had some additional reporting on that at the top of the show that we have been able to confirm at nbc news, that they did -- the fbi did launch an inquiry and talk to him. let me ask you about the book or the note that was in a notebook that was left behind. he mentions anwar al awlaki, that is the suspect himself. how significant is that to authorities? >> so, this notebook, first of all, appears to have been found on his body. my source explained that the notebook was found with at least one bullet hole in it and
covered with blood because it was on him at the time of his arrest. in the notebook there's references to radical ideology. for example, he speaks about killing the kufar, which is a term for infidels, a stock phrase see al qaeda and isis members using, what they use to justify the killing of civilians. it's worrying that phrase appears. secondly, he references anwar al awlaki, who is perhaps the most famous propagandaist who was killed in a drone strike in yemen and he's considered as a gateway drug for young jihadists. many begin their trajectory into radical ideology by listening to awlaki's lectures which are on
youtube. the other he mentioned is ft. hood, which was one of al qaeda's signature successes in terms of inspiring a lone wolf actor. years ago. >> have you been able to learn any more about his travel back and forth to pakistan or afghanistan or what he might have been doing there? >> this is based on the reporting of my colleagues, especially adam goldman in our d.c. bureau, and adam was able to confirm he traveled back to pakistan in 2005 to the city of karachi and later traveled in 2011 to pakistan. we don't know the exact location. most recently he was there from the spring of 2013 to, i think, april of 2014 in the city of qata in pakistan, the hotbed of the taliban militancy in pakistan, but it's also the place where allegedly his family was based in a refugee camp. it becomes difficult to disentangled was he going there to visit family or was he going
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this is crunch time for debate prep for hillary clinton. she took some time today to get on the phone with some of her national security advisers to talk about that, of course, a central issue in this campaign. events, frankly, have driven it that way over the past couple of months. hillary clinton's campaign is really focused on trying to make sure that she's the one who comes across as looking presidential, as appearing to be sober, thoughtful, and as presenting her as somebody who has been in the situation room, who has the kind of experience and sober judgment required to make these kind of tough decisions. the reality is, they do have a little bit of trouble with donald trump on this front. our polling shows americans trust him on terrorism issues. when i've talked to swing voters, a central issue for them is often this idea that president obama is not necessarily as strong as he should be on things like fighting isis. you remember leading from behind is something we talked a lot
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whether it's going to be the guy who follows the teleprompter and sticks to talking points or whether it's going to be the guy whoa saw so many times on that primary debate stage. quite frankly, none of his republican opponents had very much luck standing up to him on that stage. that's a lesson that's been well learned by the clinton team, kate. >> kasie hunt out in brooklyn. the biggest parlor game going right now is to guess who's playing donald trump as she prepares for this debate. no clues. >> reporter: i'd love to see it. >> wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall? kasie hunt, thanks so much. "the washington post," as we mentioned, is reporting today that donald trump used $258,000 from his charity, from the trump foundation, to settle legal problems involving his for-profit company. according to legal documents and interviews, trump's charity might have violated rules against what's called self-dealing, which prohibits nonprofit leaders from using charity money to benefit themselves or their businesses. we reached out to the trump campaign here at nbc news for a
response. so far, have not heard anything back. let's turn to the reporter who broke the story and is connecting all the dots here, david fahrenthold of "the washington post." we've been able at nbc to verify the actual donations that you cite, but you've taken it all a step further and looked at how these donations came about. give us some examples of what you found. >> the two biggest ones we looked at was a case from trump's case down in florida, they put up a flag too big for town ordinances. the town started fining him. he settles that case with the town and the town says, okay, we'll waive the $120,000 worth of fines in return trump's club has to make $125,000 donation to that charity. instead, trump used the donald j. trump foundation, a separate enty, a charity full of other people's money, he used that foundation to make the donation. similarly in another case,
somebody sued one of trump's golf clubs and when that settled the golf club agreed to pay $128,000 to this person's charity. the golf club didn't pay, the foundation pay. >> trump foundation, right? >> right. what's problematic there is if you're the manager of a charity, as trump is with the trump foundation, you can't use the money in the charity to pay for things you or your businesses ought to pay for. it seems like that's what happened here. >> we reached out to the trump campaign and they have not given us an official response. i did just have earlier in the show a surrogate for donald trump on for us. i want to play the sound for him when i asked him about your article. >> that author, fahrenthold, i think he's been egregiously unfair to donald trump. he challenged me when i was on your program last week when i said donald trump has personally given me money to veterans. he said prove it. i proved it.
two for $2 million, one for $100,000, going back to the 1980s and i got no response, crickets from him. i think he's unfair and on a bit of a witch hunt. >> your response? >> i didn't actually see his donations but i know what he's talking about. what i've been looking for are donations between 2008 and this year when donald trump stopped giving to his foundation, 2008 when this year when he gave those donations to veterans. was was the $1 million donation to veterans in may and the other two were in the '90s and '80s. they don't speak to the era the trump people are claiming he's given millions from, which is in the last 10 or 15 years. i also want to mention something he talked about earlier, which was the idea that because the trump foundation was giving its money to a charity in the two cases i mentioned, that that's okay. the problem is, not that the money went to a charity but whose bill the trump foundation was paying. it can't pay a business's bilsz, it can't pay trump's personal bills. that seems like what happened in this case. >> in the past when trump
campaign has said, specifically the money paid to florida attorney general, they said it was a paperwork mistake, a clerical error. they haven't responded to your article, but i can see them saying, well, maybe we got things mixed up in terms of paperwork. does all of this to you, having done all this research and all this reporting, david, does it seem like just sloppy paperwork? >> in these cases i don't believe so. the bondi donation that may be the case because trump made a lot of donations to other attorneys general and they did come out of his own pocket. in the bondi case they came out of the trump foundation's pocket because the trump foundation had lax internal controls over how they spent the money and they mistook bond ici's group for a legitimate charity. the cases i'm talking about today, those seem like very deliberate cases. in the case in florida, trump wrote a letter to the town of palm beach saying, look, here are my checks that have settled this and attached two checks signed by himself from the donald j. trump foundation.
i don't think there's much of a chance, and certainly the trump people have not explained it this way, that somehow these were all mistakes, that the checks should have come out of his business and instead came out of the foundation. if that was the case, they've had a lot of time to correct it and they haven't. >> david fahrenthold, i assume your reporting will continue, thanks for being with us. a major republican donor has a change of heart. we'll tell you who he is and who he's backing now. gary, gary, gary... i am proud of you, my man. making simple, smart cash back choices... with quicksilver from capital one. you're earning unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. like on that new laptop. quicksilver keeps things simple, gary. and smart, like you! and i like that. don't let that go to yr head, i guess i am ry.tty smart. what's in your wallet?
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we're learning about a switch from a major republican donor who opposed donald trump back in the primary, chicago cubs owner joe rickets, who says he will back the republican nominee. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me, kate. >> you're with our principles back which is where joe and marlene ricketts gave to oppose
donald trump. in february trump said this, i hear the rickets family who own the chicago cubs are secretly spending money against me. they better be careful. they have a lot to hide. now you have news that joe ricketts is going to back trump. what does that say to you about the state of things in your party? >> well, you know, it was a primary pac designed to keep trump from getting the nomination. they were very generous in contributing to the pac. once the primary ended, you know, sort of all bets were off as far as donors. i haven't had any specific conversation with the ricketts so i don't know the reasoning but i don't find it surprising to find republicans are supporting the republican ticket at the end of the day. i think a lot of donors are concerned that if the top of the ticket does too badly, it will be a huge drag on down-ballot like portman and rubio and
toomey and ayotte, so they're trying to bolster the top of the ticket in large part to help these candidates over the finish line. >> for the record, you're still not there, right? you're not voting for donald trump? >> i am still not with trump. i'm never trump. >> that's what i thought. so we're less than 50 days out. politico reporting that george h.w. bush is going to be voting for hillary clinton, according to a conversation that the former lieutenant governor of maryland said she had with the former president. i guess, again, what does that say to you that the former president might go clinton? >> well, it sounds like at this point in time that's just a rumor, so i'm not sure we know for sure what the former president's going to do. but it wouldn't surprise me. i mean, this is a guy that was really very, very rude and unkind to one of his sons in the primary contest and accused his other son of horrible things back when he was president. basically accused him of things
that some would argue would be prosecutable. so, it's not surprising to me that this father looks at this guy, you know, leaving aside the fact that donald trump is completely unfit for the presidency, that there's a very personal feeling that he has about how he treated members of his own family. so, i'm not surprised by it if it does turn out to be true. >> katie packer, nice to see you again. thanks for joining us. hillary clinton weighing in on the death of terence crutcher today. she tweeted, another unarmed black man was shot in a police incident. this should be intolerable. we have so much work to do. this, of course, the man in tulsa, oklahoma, getting
so much attention, this video. coming up, we'll have the very latest on that investigation live from tulsa. religious bigot. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. he's not a serious adult. i can't vote for donald trump given the things that he said. trump should not be supported.
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and also the bomb in new jersey. all the events of this weekend. i want to bring in new york congressman marilyn maloney. she represents manhattan. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> it's been such an intense, what, 36 hours now for the people of your district and for the whole country following all this. >> it truly has. >> what do you know about the suspect who's in the hospital right now, ahmad khan rahami, and how confident are you that authorities have now gotten the one man involved in this, or are you worried there might potentially be others out there? >> well, i can tell you, i spent the last two days really in chelsea. i represent the area. and the response of our nypd, the fbi, all concerned, was brilliant. within 36 hours they apprehended the bomber. remarkable combination of good police work and high tech, using surveillance cameras, fingerprints and they even sent out an alert to phones across the region with the suspect's picture in it.
so, it was a beautiful example of high-tech and old-fashioned policing. i know that charges have been brought. and under our system, if evidence proves it, and it looks like the evidence will, he will be convicted and punished severely. >> and yet donald trump, as you know, is using words like weak and ineffective to describe president obama's administration and to describe hillary clinton. you're a clinton supporter. how would you respond to trump's accusations that essentially more should have been done to stop someone like this? >> well, all i can say, we need good judgment, experience and really sound actions. not a lot of bluster accusations, false charges and theater. hillary clinton, even before the suspect was apprehended, came out with a comprehensive plan to combat terrorism. and as the senator from new york when 9/11 happened and as the secretary of state during our
war on terror, she's very skilled in interactg with terrorism experts in our country and around the world. and she called out for an intelligence in new york we had 20 attempts to harm new york since 9/11 and all have been stopped by intelligence. do we need to do better? we have to be right every second of the day to protect our people. i thought the response of the nypd and the whole team made me so proud to be a new yorker and an american. >> does it concern you that his family did have interactions with the fbi and they looked into a complaint from neighbors and pete williams is reporting that a neighbor overheard him calling his son a terrorist. he decided there was no threat there. >> we had the best fbi in the
world. the professionalism that they brought to the site was inspiring and they will be reporting to congress and hearings and other areas where they will have a complete determination. the bottom line is within 36 hours, the criminal was apprehended. a say congratulations. >> carolyn maloney, thank you very much for your time. msnbc will be live at the global citizen festival. an estimated 1.2 million americans are living with hiv, once a death sentence and now new treatments are allowing people to live long and healthy lives. blake coy traveled for a look at a pill that promises to prevent hiv. >> did you ever think you would
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. in oklahoma, new video of a white officer shooting an unarmed black man has been released by the tulsa police department. the video you are about to see is graphic. take a listen. >> he won't show me his hands. >> that are looks like a bad dude too. >> an officer is describing the situation. video from the ground and the helicopter showing terence crutcher has his hands up and his suv stalled on the road and he refused to follow commands before he was shot and he later
died. janet is in tulsa with more. janet? >> reporter: to hear tiffany crutcher tell it, her brother was coming home from a community college class, music appreciation, when he stalled in the road. officers were going to another call when this incident happened. there were concurrent investigations going on. 50 the internal affairs review and the district attorney here in tulsa investigating. the justice department has opened its own investigation. as for the family of terence crutcher, they are concerned and perhaps not without merit that this is not going to be prosecuted. they are asking for charges to be filed immediately. >> charges pressed against the officer immediately. the video and everything out there speaks for itself.
it's really clear cut. >> that is doctor tiffany crutcher, the twin sister of terence. he won't play it out in the press, just the opposite is happening here. we are hearing from all sides and what their story is, including from the attorney of betty shelby, the police officer who fired that fatal shot and is now on administrative leave. her attorney told us that she thout he was onrugs and she previously said that he did not put his arms in the air which the video would tend to contra addict. also today the attorney representing the family is arguing with what he calls misleading information and he held a news conference this afternoon and he had pictures blown up saying no way that terence could have been reaching into the window of the car
because the windows of the vehicle were closed. we are also hearing a lot of reaction from across the country. hillary rodham clinton saying how many times are we going to have to hear this? we heard from the daughter of martin luther king,jr. saying her heart is broken. kate, back to you. >> a lot of americans feel that way. thank you so much and thank you all for joining us for ms nbc live. my colleague will take it from here, hi, steve. >> good afternoon, everybody. we are live in new york and exactly seven weeks away from election day, 49 days and counting topping the agenda. the politics of terror and two responses from the candidates. donald trump with the message aimed straight at the gut. >> isis is torturing, exterminating people and what is hillary